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Tonight on Fact or Fate.

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Paranormal files.

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Oh, wow.

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Oh, ha-ha!

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Look at that right there.

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That's not what I expected to see.

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There are many reports of spirits haunting this location.

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Go for it.

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Got it.

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Oh, wow.

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Release back.

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Oh, my gosh. Did you see that?

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Oh, did you guys see that?

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Oh, look at that thing!

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Oh, my gosh.

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There's a flying saucer.

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Getting a series of lights right there.

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So you see what I am seeing?

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What the heck is happening?

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Hey, how are we?

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Going on, man.

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Got some videos to look at today.

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Can I go first?

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Sure.

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An amateur ghost hunter named Benjamin Rios and his girlfriend,

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they were visiting the Manger Hotel in San Antonio, Texas.

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Supposedly, it's haunted.

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When he went there, he asked for the most haunted room there,

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the Sherman Suite.

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When he gets there, they capture some really unusual footage

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on his camera.

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Check this out.

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Oh, wow.

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Right down the center, an apparition walking across.

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Wait until it completely leaves.

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Oh, it's like it walks through that hall.

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Oh, great.

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It's like some sort of a maze.

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It's like a maze.

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Oh, it's like it walks through that hall.

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Oh, great.

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It completely goes around the corner and exits the room.

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Is anybody else seeing what I'm seeing?

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It looks like the apparition or ghost is missing

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the whole lower half of its body.

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Oh, you know what? I noticed that, too.

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I'm familiar with this case.

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This hotel was built in 1859,

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and there are many reports of spirits haunting this location.

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People have reported that they've seen this ghost

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carrying a load of towels to a room

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that she never seems to deliver.

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I want to go to this hotel and find out what's going on.

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Now you're talking.

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You know, the ghost definitely has the transparency

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that you would think a ghost would have,

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but it just seems like it would be so easy to do on CG.

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Well, I like the place. I love the location.

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I think that this is pretty easily replicated by CG,

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but I don't want to totally rule it out.

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So why don't we see what else we have?

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I actually have a case of a creature

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that we've never investigated.

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There were some kids that were playing soccer

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in a home in Mexico City.

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They had been hearing strange sounds all night.

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They didn't know where they were coming from,

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but suddenly their game is interrupted

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by a strange creature that frightens them.

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Check out the video.

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Look what it...

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Oh, wow.

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Did you see it? It even had a little...

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It had like a pointy hat.

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Yeah, it does look like that.

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So they saw this in person, not just on camera.

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They saw it in person.

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These witnesses, they believe that what they saw

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was the legendary duende,

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which in Mexico translates to gnome.

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What's to say that this wasn't just a cat or a chicken?

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That was actually my first thought when I saw this,

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but then I heard these kids and I'm like,

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they sound so genuinely frightened.

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with maybe like a puppet or a marionette.

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as it moves across the screen,

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kind of like a puppet being pulled by a line.

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I'd like to look at a case like this.

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We haven't approached this subject before.

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I think it's fairly easy to replicate.

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Let's see what else we have today first.

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All right, guys.

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So I have a series of Polaroids that are actually evidence

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of a well-documented and famous UFO case.

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The Rex Heflin UFO encounter.

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Now, this case still remains highly influential

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in the annals of UFO research,

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not just because of the four iconic photos he captured that day,

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but it also supports the legend of the men in black.

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Take a look.

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These photos were taken on August 3, 1965

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by a guy named Rex Heflin.

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The first three photos show a saucer-like object

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high in the sky.

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The fourth one, it depicts a mysterious smoke ring

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that Heflin said the exiting craft left behind.

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Now, the first three photos were shot within 20 seconds.

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What kind of camera?

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It was a Polaroid 101.

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Wouldn't it be kind of a challenge with that camera?

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It's definitely hard to do because between every single shot,

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you have to pull the film.

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I think that taking three photos in a minute is entirely possible,

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but I'd like to test 20 seconds.

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Is Rex Heflin available for an interview?

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Unfortunately, he passed away in 2005,

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but he did work with a team of investigators,

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so I'm sure we can get one of them to help us out on the case.

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So where do the men in black come in?

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I know this case well.

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Supposedly in 1965, when these photos surfaced,

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Rex Heflin says he was visited at his home

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by two strange men dressed in black suits.

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Now, they claim they're from NORAD,

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and they highly encouraged him to turn over the photos, which he did.

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Many people believe that the two men in black

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are part of a massive ongoing government cover-up

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between extraterrestrial and civilian encounters.

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It gets even more strange because supposedly after 28 years

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of the photos being gone, mysteriously they show up in Rex's mailbox.

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I love this case.

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This is a slam dunk for me, you guys.

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It's got great historical background and completely testable.

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Well, it sounds like this is one that we should do.

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Let's find out what else we have.

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Alright, guys, I have a video that comes all the way from Sao Paulo, Brazil.

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A couple of motorists are driving down the highway

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and they see something in the sky.

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They pull over, take out their camera phones

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and start to record what looks like a massive UFO

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actually creeping out from behind the clouds.

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Whoa, look at that.

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Right there, right in the center of the screen.

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It looks like a radiant light probe

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just shoots down towards the Earth.

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kind of a dead giveaway that this is probably CG.

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Ben, back up this clip a little bit

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to right before this truck appears.

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Okay, go ahead and play.

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Watch when the truck enters frame.

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Keep going, one frame, gone.

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And then after the truck passes,

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it suddenly reappears.

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Wow, nice catch, Bill.

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Why don't we move on to Bill?

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For years, there have been reports in the paranormal community

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of an unusual phenomena known as spiraling rods

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or skyfish.

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Now, this video was shot by Nick Corey,

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who's a naturalist, and he's also a paranormal enthusiast.

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He feels that this video is proof of the existence

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of what he calls the skyfish.

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Here's another one.

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Some people feel that these are possibly interdimensional beings

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that have a way of traveling in and out of our world.

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they say there's a much more plausible natural explanation.

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They're saying it's more than likely

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just misidentified birds or even insects.

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The videographer, Nick Corey,

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he said that he'd set off bug bombs prior to shooting this video.

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Not only that, but he said that he's gone out

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in the middle of the winter when there's simply no insects around

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and he's been able to get similar footage.

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Would he be willing to talk to us about it?

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I'd really like to get out there and test that 20-second theory,

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so I'm in for the Heflin case.

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It's a classic case.

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I'm in for Heflin.

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I think it's completely testable,

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and I really want to see what the location looks like today.

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I don't think anyone has really gone out there

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and run through the series of everything he said that he did that day

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and see if they could come up with an explanation.

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I really want to put to rest the spiraling rods case.

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Yeah, I think I'm gonna have to go with Bill.

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I'm a skeptic when it comes to this type of thing,

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but this was pretty good video evidence.

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It has everything we're looking for.

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I mean, we could come up with some creative tests, definitely.

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On top of that, we have great footage,

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and an eyewitness is willing to meet with us.

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So why don't Lanisha and Devin and I go do the Heflin case?

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And Gael and Bill in Austin, you guys can go do the spiraling rods.

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We'll bring you answers.

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You bring us a UFO.

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Done.

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Done deal.

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So guys, Santa Ana, California.

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This side of our new investigation,

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this is one of the most classic UFO cases

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of 1965 Heflin UFO encounter.

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According to Heflin's reports on August 3rd, 1965,

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he was making a video of the events

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that were happening in the U.S.

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and the events that were happening in the U.S.

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in the U.S.

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and the U.S.

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According to Heflin's reports on August 3rd, 1965,

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he was making his rounds as a highway maintenance engineer

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when he looked up and saw something really unusual

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approaching in the sky.

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He's able to take three really quick,

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but sharp photos of the object flying directly overhead.

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After he drives several hundred feet more down the road,

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he gets out of the van, takes the fourth photo,

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and it shows this dark, mysterious smoke ring

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that's up in the sky.

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There's the site.

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Mifred and walnut.

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This is where Heflin said it all happened.

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Wow, it looks really different from the photos, right?

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but we do have Dr. Robert Wood, one of the lead investigators.

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He published several papers where he analyzed the whole encounter,

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and he knew Heflin personally.

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Dr. Wood, Ben Hansen.

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Ben, how do you do?

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What were your impressions of Rex Heflin?

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I thought he was a really solid, ordinary guy

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who was very truthful of just doing his job.

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Can you show me where the UFO would have been sighted?

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Yeah, Rex was driving north on Mifred Road.

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So he's going this way?

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And as he looked up, why, apparently, this object was in front of him.

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And since he always carried a Polaroid camera,

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he picked it up and shot.

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And then went up a couple of hundred yards to the north on Mifred,

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hovered for a while, and then...

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Has your opinion changed since you dug deeper into the case?

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That's a really good question, because...

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My opinion has changed to be even more confident

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that these are genuine photographs.

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You know, these are Polaroids.

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It would be very, very difficult, if not impossible,

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Well, Dr. Wood, you've been very, very helpful.

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We're going to get on and try to do some experiments.

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See what we can come up with.

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Coming up on Fact or Faked Paranormal Files.

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Got it.

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Lock and load.

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taken is so developed now, we're going to move to a nearby

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testing facility and continue our investigation there.

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Here's the site where we can start our experiments.

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And here is our vehicle.

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We have a similar type of van that Rex used to shoot his photos from,

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and that will serve as our vantage point for all of our experiments.

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Heflin took the first three photos in under 20 seconds.

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Well, in 1965, they were shooting with this Polaroid 101 camera,

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which works with 3000 ASA film.

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Now, familiar with this camera, and I really do find it hard to believe

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that he was able to capture three photos in 20 seconds,

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let alone capture clear and focused images.

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I think the biggest struggle you've got is pulling the film and focusing.

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And to look through the viewfinder, focus on the camera.

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Pull out the film and try to do this as quickly as possible.

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Our first experiment is pretty straightforward, you guys.

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We can use this RC craft to represent our UFO.

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Obviously, it doesn't look exactly like the pie-shaped UFO

281
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that we saw in the photos, but we just need to get something up

282
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in the sky to see if we can focus on it and shoot three photos

283
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as quickly as possible.

284
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I will cue you, Devin.

285
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You can launch the craft, and then I will shoot the camera.

286
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Let's go. Let's get this started.

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Come on, guys.

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This model Polaroid has an image-size viewfinder.

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This means that the photographer has to estimate the distance

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between the object and the camera.

291
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Now, I find it pretty tricky to do,

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and it's going to require two hands.

293
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I know that for sure.

294
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OK, you ready, Dev?

295
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I'm ready.

296
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We're going for launch.

297
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OK.

298
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Why don't I start motors?

299
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You ready for this?

300
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Ready.

301
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You're under the clock in three, two, one.

302
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Go for it.

303
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Did a good drip on it.

304
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Just this.

305
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Got it.

306
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OK, one more.

307
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Third photo.

308
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We're all the way down.

309
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Third photo.

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OK.

311
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OK.

312
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OK.

313
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OK.

314
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OK.

315
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OK.

316
00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,000
OK.

317
00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,000
OK.

318
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OK.

319
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OK.

320
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OK.

321
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OK.

322
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OK.

323
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OK.

324
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We're all the way down.

325
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Third.

326
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OK.

327
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Done.

328
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Time.

329
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Bringing it back.

330
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Good job.

331
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Good job.

332
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Great timing.

333
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That was great.

334
00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,000
Now, it took 21.58 seconds for us to take those Polaroid pictures.

335
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Now, that's the same amount of time basically that Rex said he took history photos in.

336
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That suggests that Rex may have been telling the truth about this part of the encounter.

337
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Even though it is physically possible to take a series of Polaroids quickly,

338
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I had a problem because they're not focused or clear-set.

339
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How did they look?

340
00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,000
You know what?

341
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Let's take a look at them.

342
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It's photo number one.

343
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You've got the framing.

344
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Focus was an issue.

345
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It's a little out of focus.

346
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Let's move on to photo number two.

347
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Oh, yeah.

348
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Just a little better.

349
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Was it hard leaning over?

350
00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:53,000
It definitely is, especially having to have both hands on the camera.

351
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And then our third one.

352
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Same thing.

353
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Now that we know that the original scenario was at least plausible,

354
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we should move on and try to see what was in the sky in 1965.

355
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Let's start with the natural explanation first.

356
00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,000
Okay.

357
00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,000
All right.

358
00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:11,000
Maybe Rex got it wrong.

359
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Maybe it's just a piece of debris caught in some wind and it's gussed up in front of

360
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him like a paper plate or a pie dish or something.

361
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There you go.

362
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The photo had a very rigid and a shiny surface.

363
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This comes up a lot on the online forum, so I think it's important that we look at it.

364
00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:32,000
I'm just not buying that it was something as simple for natural explanation.

365
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Heads up, Dev.

366
00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,000
Yeah, there's no way.

367
00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,000
Well, what about clay pigeons?

368
00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,000
Something that target shooters use when they go skeet shooting.

369
00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,000
True.

370
00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,000
We have them.

371
00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,000
There you go.

372
00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:44,000
I think this is a little bit closer.

373
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Definitely not shiny like in the photograph.

374
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Can be painted.

375
00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:48,000
Exactly.

376
00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,000
And we'll be able to send the clay pigeons in the same direction every single time.

377
00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:52,000
It'll be good for an experiment.

378
00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,000
Nice.

379
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And I'll be sitting in the front seat at the vantage point ready to take the shots.

380
00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,000
Okay.

381
00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,000
There you go.

382
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There you go.

383
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All right.

384
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Lock and load.

385
00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:02,000
Lock and load.

386
00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,000
Ready, Lanisha?

387
00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,000
All right, guys.

388
00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,000
I'm set over here.

389
00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,000
Count me down.

390
00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,000
Three, two, one.

391
00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:08,000
Hold.

392
00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,000
Hold.

393
00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:10,000
Hold.

394
00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,000
Hold.

395
00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:12,000
Hold.

396
00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,000
Hold.

397
00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:14,000
Hold.

398
00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,000
Hold.

399
00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:16,000
Hold.

400
00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:17,000
Hold.

401
00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,000
Hold.

402
00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,000
Hold.

403
00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:20,000
Hold.

404
00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,000
Hold.

405
00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:22,000
Hold.

406
00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,000
Hold.

407
00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,000
Hold.

408
00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,000
Hold.

409
00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:26,000
Hold.

410
00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:28,000
Hold.

411
00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:30,000
Hold.

412
00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,000
Hold.

413
00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,000
Hold.

414
00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,000
Hold.

415
00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,840
Hold.

416
00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:35,000
Hold.

417
00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,000
Hold.

418
00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,000
Hold.

419
00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:38,000
Hold.

420
00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,000
Hold.

421
00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,000
Hold.

422
00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,000
Hold.

423
00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,000
Hold.

424
00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:44,000
Hold.

425
00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:45,000
Hold.

426
00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:46,000
Hold.

427
00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:47,000
Hold.

428
00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,000
Hold.

429
00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,000
Hold.

430
00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:50,000
Hold.

431
00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:51,000
Hold.

432
00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:52,000
Hold.

433
00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,000
Hold.

434
00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,800
lighting camera and film stock.

435
00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,640
It wasn't designed to shoot action photos,

436
00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,400
so I don't think that this is it.

437
00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,160
I think it's safe to say it was not a clay pigeon,

438
00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:02,560
and I think we should move on.

439
00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:03,400
Sounds good.

440
00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:04,220
All right.

441
00:17:07,220 --> 00:17:10,200
Another popular theory for Heflin's photos

442
00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,800
is that this object could be a hat.

443
00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:13,760
I mean, think about it.

444
00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,680
Gust of wind comes and picks it up.

445
00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,560
It is Santa Ana, one of the windiest cities in the country.

446
00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,600
Think about this spontaneous gust

447
00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,160
that comes and picks up the object

448
00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:24,720
and just carries it a long distance.

449
00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,720
It's pretty safe to say that this is a far-fetched idea,

450
00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,400
but it keeps coming up time and time again online.

451
00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,840
A hat definitely could have a similar shape.

452
00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:35,760
Similar to Rex's UFO in his photograph.

453
00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,040
Thanks.

454
00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:38,440
But how are we going to get something

455
00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,400
that's going to create enough of a gust

456
00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,800
that's powerful and strong enough to sustain it?

457
00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,280
I think I got an idea.

458
00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:45,280
I'll be back.

459
00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,280
OK.

460
00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:48,280
Wow.

461
00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:49,280
This is insane.

462
00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:55,280
Six blades, 350 horsepower, V8 engine, mega fan.

463
00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,280
To create our own gust of wind and have control over the current,

464
00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,280
I brought in this high-powered fan.

465
00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,280
Place it on the side of the road and point it in the direction

466
00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:03,280
that we want our hat to sail.

467
00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:07,280
I'll take this hat and we'll toss it into the stream,

468
00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,280
and hopefully it should push it enough to go up and over the van.

469
00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,280
If this doesn't do anything, I'll just

470
00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:13,280
go and get it.

471
00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:14,280
I'll get it.

472
00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:15,280
I'll get it.

473
00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:16,280
I'll get it up and over the van.

474
00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,280
If this doesn't do the trick, I don't know what will.

475
00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:20,280
All right.

476
00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:21,280
So I'll go back to our vantage point.

477
00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:22,280
That sounds great.

478
00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:23,280
OK.

479
00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:24,280
Let's fire it up.

480
00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:25,280
Ready?

481
00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:26,280
Good.

482
00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:35,280
Crank it up on three, two, one.

483
00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:55,280
Another popular theory is that this object could be a hat.

484
00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:59,280
Gust of wind comes and picks it up and just carries it along distance.

485
00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:00,280
You ready?

486
00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:04,280
Crank it up on three, two, one.

487
00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:05,280
Woohoo!

488
00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:06,280
Nice work, guys.

489
00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:07,280
Yeah.

490
00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:08,280
I think it's great.

491
00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:14,280
There's no way that I was able to capture a brief, clear and focused images before

492
00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,280
the hat flew out of the shot.

493
00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:17,280
Right.

494
00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,280
I was able to get like one clear focus shot.

495
00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:27,280
The one photo that you did take does resemble the UF focus.

496
00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:39,280
From where I was standing, it looked like a hat.

497
00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:43,280
I think that if Heflin would have seen a hat, he would have known.

498
00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:47,280
There is one other theory that we could test, but it would be testing a hoax.

499
00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:52,280
We could literally dangle the hat in the position that we wanted to from a monofilament line

500
00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:56,280
in a fishing pole, use force perspective right in front of the window.

501
00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:57,280
Like we have our next experiment.

502
00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:58,280
Yeah.

503
00:19:58,280 --> 00:19:59,280
I think so.

504
00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,280
So now we're going to move on to another hat experiment.

505
00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,280
Only this time we'll have total control over its placement.

506
00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:10,280
So we want to come in and frame.

507
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:11,280
Perfect.

508
00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,280
Okay, let's move on to position number two.

509
00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:15,280
Say when.

510
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,280
Go just a few feet more.

511
00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:19,280
Is this okay?

512
00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:20,280
There you go.

513
00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:21,280
Nice.

514
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:22,280
How's the framing on it?

515
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:23,280
Oh, looks good.

516
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:24,280
Got it.

517
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:25,280
Got it?

518
00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,280
I think we have a big reach on this one.

519
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:28,280
Final photo.

520
00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,280
Can you reel it in a little?

521
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:32,280
Right there.

522
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:33,280
That's good.

523
00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:34,280
I'm all framed up.

524
00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:35,280
Okay, ready?

525
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,280
Got it.

526
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,280
The photos are pretty impressive.

527
00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:47,280
It shows how an object, even a hat held down in front of the camera, can create a pretty convincing UFO.

528
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:52,280
The problem with this hoax scenario is that it insinuates that someone else would have been present.

529
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:56,280
It's very difficult to use the fishing pole and take the photos at the same time.

530
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:57,280
But you know what?

531
00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,280
Nobody's ever come for it as an accomplice.

532
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,280
We've tried something that's smaller and closer to camera.

533
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:03,280
We've seen some problems with that.

534
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:04,280
Let's go the other direction.

535
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,280
Now we're going to place something way up in the sky.

536
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:14,280
Only this time it's going to have to be pretty big in order for this speed to pull up.

537
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:21,280
Heflin's original report, he said that the craft was 20 feet wide, 150 feet high, and approximately 700 feet away.

538
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:27,280
Many people theorize that either a large balloon or a blimp could have been the source of UFOs in Heflin's photos.

539
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:33,280
He either misidentified the blimp or he knew it was a blimp and it all was the result of a hoax.

540
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:37,280
Using Heflin's dimensions, we've got a 20-foot balloon.

541
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,280
Let's see if it's possible to get this same perspective in the camera frame.

542
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:47,280
Let's put it straight up 150 feet and 700 feet from the vantage point to see if it looks like his photos.

543
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:53,280
Alright.

544
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:54,280
It looks great.

545
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:55,280
Yeah.

546
00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:05,280
Now that we've got the blimp to the right altitude of 150 feet, I'll be towing it behind the SUV along the predetermined path.

547
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,280
I'm going to mark out the path where the UFO is photographed using cones and a digital rangefinder.

548
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:14,280
I'm going to go drive to the starting point.

549
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,280
Alright, same touch. I have my walkie with me.

550
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:17,280
We'll be at the vantage point.

551
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:19,280
Hey guys.

552
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,280
I'm driving the first marker right now.

553
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,280
It's being followed by a UFO.

554
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:24,280
Looking good.

555
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:25,280
Snapping the photo.

556
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:28,280
Got it.

557
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:29,280
Coming up on the second marker.

558
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:33,280
Second photo's been snapped.

559
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,280
Final one approaching the last mark.

560
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,280
UFO is heading away from you guys.

561
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,280
That looks about the right distance.

562
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,280
Go ahead and snap the last one.

563
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:44,280
Ben, that was great.

564
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,280
I got a really good feeling about this.

565
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,280
Let's bring her in and check out the photos.

566
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:49,280
Copy that.

567
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:52,280
Hey, that was awesome.

568
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:53,280
Thank you.

569
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:54,280
Nice work.

570
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,280
The framing size and color all look good.

571
00:22:58,280 --> 00:22:59,280
Isn't that amazing?

572
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,280
I immediately thought to myself, this very well could have been a large object.

573
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,280
I mean, that was Heflin's claim.

574
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,280
Our blimp is similar in shape and metallic in color.

575
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:11,280
It's possible that maybe what he photographed was some type of metallic craft.

576
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,280
What about that forest photo?

577
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,280
The mysterious smoke ring that appeared after he drove 100 yards down the road.

578
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,280
If you look at these photos, there is a strip of power lines in one of them.

579
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,280
With all this wind we're having, I think it's entirely possible if this was a blimp,

580
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:33,280
that it maybe ran into one of those and made of a flammable material, maybe it went up in flames.

581
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:37,280
Maybe it exploded and created a smoke ring.

582
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,280
Maybe we should rig this thing up and actually blow it up.

583
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:43,280
Let's do it.

584
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:44,280
All right.

585
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:45,280
I love the balloon.

586
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:46,280
You like that?

587
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:47,280
I like it.

588
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,280
Anytime I mention guns or blowing things up, I know you're there with me.

589
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:50,280
Let's do it.

590
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,280
What we have here is a DSC, a directional spark charge.

591
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,280
And it's going to detonate in each direction that this is pointing.

592
00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:01,280
And hopefully our balloon will ignite and create that smoke ring that we need from the original photos.

593
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,280
We'll attach the DSC to the bottom of the blimp.

594
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,280
We'll run the line all the way back to the safe vantage point and we'll detonate from there.

595
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:11,280
All right.

596
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:12,280
We're live right now.

597
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:13,280
We're all set.

598
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:18,280
Have you ever seen a blimp being exploded and coming down in a fiery flame?

599
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:19,280
I have not.

600
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:20,280
No, but we're about to.

601
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:21,280
No?

602
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:22,280
You're all framed up?

603
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:23,280
Yep, camera ready.

604
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:30,280
Ready in three, two, one.

605
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:34,280
Awesome.

606
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:35,280
Look at that thing.

607
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:44,280
This clip was shot in 2009 in Galveston, Texas.

608
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,280
Adam Briscoe captured footage of a ghostly face on the side of a building.

609
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:53,280
Local legend says that the owner of the property demanded on his deathbed that the property never be sold.

610
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,280
The family sold it anyway and he has haunted the building ever since.

611
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,280
So, is it fact or faked?

612
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,280
The answer coming up.

613
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:17,280
This clip reportedly shows a ghostly face appearing on the side of a building.

614
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,280
But is it fact or faked?

615
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:20,280
Faked.

616
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:32,280
Rather than a ghostly apparition, this is a classic case of pareidolia, a phenomenon where our brain sees familiar shapes in the unfamiliar, like Jesus in a piece of toast or a face on a wall.

617
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:37,280
In the 1960s they used an aluminum paint coating on the exterior of their blimps.

618
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:38,280
It's very flammable.

619
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,280
So, to recreate the same type of explosion, we're going to use a directional spark charge.

620
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:48,280
And hopefully it will ignite our blimp and leave behind the same type of smoke ring that we saw in Heflin's photo.

621
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:49,280
You're all framed up?

622
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:50,280
Yep, camera ready.

623
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:58,280
Ready in three, two, one.

624
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,280
Awesome, look at that thing!

625
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:10,280
How's everyone doing?

626
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:11,280
Good.

627
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:12,280
Did you have a good trip?

628
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:13,280
I had a great trip.

629
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,280
So, let's tell you what happened.

630
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:21,280
I remember Rex Heflin took four photographs of an object that traveled in front of his van.

631
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:27,280
The first thing he wanted to do was to try and see if we could replicate the time frame he said he took his Polaroids in.

632
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:32,280
As you guys recall, Heflin claimed that he took the first three photos in about 20 seconds.

633
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,280
We decided to base our test around that.

634
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,280
To simulate the UFO, we used a remote-controlled tricopter.

635
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,280
It didn't look like the UFO, but we were just trying to get something in the sky,

636
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,280
something for Lanisha to focus on and see if she could snap the photos.

637
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:48,280
And it traveled along the same path as the supposed UFO in the original photos.

638
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,280
So, this is a test for time, not a test for recreation.

639
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,280
Time, focus, just to see if it's even physically possible.

640
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:54,280
Okay, that's right.

641
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,280
Let's check it out.

642
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:57,280
That's the tricopter?

643
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:58,280
It is the tricopter.

644
00:26:58,280 --> 00:26:59,280
That looks really similar, actually.

645
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:00,280
That looks really good.

646
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:01,280
Wow.

647
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,280
I mean, I thought you guys were making a mistake in showing us the original photo.

648
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:04,280
That's what I thought as well.

649
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:09,280
I was able to take all three photos in a little over 21 seconds,

650
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,280
which does make Heflin's claim reasonable.

651
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:17,280
So, we decided to move on and try and find out what exactly was the object in the sky.

652
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,280
So, one thing that we came up with was a possibility that it was a clay pigeon.

653
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,280
The first photo was fairly easy to nap.

654
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,280
It came into frame, snapped.

655
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,280
But after that, the clay pigeon came down.

656
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,280
It was moving too quickly.

657
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,280
We didn't have time to get the second and third photo.

658
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,280
We were pretty quick to rule this one out once we were only able to get one photo off.

659
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,280
We decided let's try and toss something in the air that might be caught in the wind, like a hat.

660
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,280
The hat looks closer to Heflin's original photo.

661
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:50,280
But just like with the skeet, I had a really hard time getting a shot off before everything went out of frame.

662
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:56,280
And that's why we believe if the wind blew it, it would have been coming across the windshield so quickly,

663
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,280
you could only probably get one photo off.

664
00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:59,280
Exactly.

665
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,280
But the hat was similar in shape.

666
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,280
So, we decided to try and look at maybe the hoax theory.

667
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:10,280
A lot of skeptics investigating this case believe that he took some fishing line or something similar

668
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,280
and hung it on a pole just right in frame.

669
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,280
Now, look at the object itself.

670
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:16,280
It's pretty clear.

671
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:17,280
It's pretty sharp.

672
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,280
And it wasn't even metallic.

673
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:20,280
Oh, wow.

674
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:26,280
The sun is so bright out there, it gets a reflection off and makes it look like it has these rigid edges.

675
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:32,280
One big problem that we ran into with this experiment is that it seemed to take more than one person.

676
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,280
If he was hoaxing this, that means that someone else had to be involved

677
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,280
and no one has ever come forward claiming to be a part of this hoax.

678
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,280
For our next experiment, we decided to take Heflin at his word.

679
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,280
And we put a blimp up in the air that was shaped like a UFO.

680
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:51,280
We tethered it to the back of the Tahoe and pulled it along the same path as the original photos.

681
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,280
That looks good.

682
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:53,280
Wow.

683
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,280
It's pretty good, right?

684
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:56,280
Yeah, it looks really good.

685
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,280
Yeah, and you definitely got the metallic feel.

686
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:04,280
So, a blimp proves that this is possibly a very large object that was very far away.

687
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,280
But it doesn't prove the mysterious smoke ring.

688
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:15,280
Let's just assume that what Heflin did see was actually an advertising blimp or a weather balloon.

689
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:20,280
We thought it's possible maybe this thing got away, hit some power lines and actually ignited.

690
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:25,280
The theory is that the blimp went up in flames and created this circular smoke ring.

691
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,280
We used explosives to simulate the spark to ignite the blimp.

692
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,280
Yes!

693
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:34,280
Did you see that?

694
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:35,280
No.

695
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:36,280
I love it.

696
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:37,280
We're there, man.

697
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:38,280
Yeah, look at the side-by-side.

698
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,280
There's no smoke ring.

699
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,280
And the smoke in Heflin's photo is much darker than the smoke from our exploding blimp.

700
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:45,280
It just doesn't match.

701
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,280
When this experiment didn't yield the results that we were looking for,

702
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,280
I decided to go back out on the field and try something a little bit different.

703
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:53,280
Check this out.

704
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,280
Based on the results from our blimp test, I thought that it might have been more hoaxed.

705
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,280
So I built this rig here to show another way we could have hoaxed it using a completely different method.

706
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,280
100 pounds of air pressure, diesel gas and probe.

707
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:05,280
Don't try this at home.

708
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,280
Get out of here. It's like so full.

709
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,280
Look at that.

710
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,280
I used the same materials that they had access to back then.

711
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:18,280
A cylindrical pipe, diesel fuel, propane flame and an air pump.

712
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,280
That black smoke ring will stay in the sky for two minutes.

713
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,280
It is a little more complex if we're talking about a hoax scenario.

714
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,280
One more thing worth noting is that El Toro Marine Corps Base was nearby.

715
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,280
Possibly if this were real UFO, it was there doing some type of surveillance

716
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:39,280
or maybe the military was doing their own experimental testing of a craft.

717
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:44,280
Also you guys, these men in black who confiscated Heflin's photos claiming to be from NORAD,

718
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:45,280
maybe they weren't lying.

719
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,280
I mean, if Heflin did have photos of some secret government technology,

720
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,280
then maybe they were taken in the name of national security.

721
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,280
So that would explain why the photos were returned to Heflin in 1993,

722
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,280
that technology was no longer top secret.

723
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,280
We were able to show that it could have been a craft that was either close to the vantage point,

724
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,280
something was hoaxed, or something that was far away,

725
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,280
either military or possibly extraterrestrial.

726
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,280
So really this case is pretty much still open.

727
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,280
I want to hear what happened in Missouri.

728
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,280
We want the job of Missouri to investigate the spiraling rods phenomena,

729
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,280
also known as skyfish.

730
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,280
Here's what happened.

731
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,280
Guys, we're now in Joplin, Missouri to meet with Nick Corey,

732
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,280
the videographer that captured what many believed to be the best documentations

733
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,280
of a paranormal phenomenon known as spiraling rods.

734
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:49,280
There are reports of this phenomena that have been spanning decades from all over the world,

735
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:54,280
but many people believe that Nick's footage is undeniable proof of the existence of these spiraling rods.

736
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,280
Nick claims that he was just hanging out at the park enjoying one of his favorite hobbies,

737
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,280
which is observing blue heron,

738
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,280
when he realizes that it wasn't just birds he was seeing.

739
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:12,280
That's when Nick started recording footage of a long snake-like object moving fluidly through the air.

740
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:17,280
A lot of paranormal enthusiasts believe rods are interdimensional beings.

741
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,280
The theory goes that these are visiting from another universe or dimension

742
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,280
that coexist separately alongside ours.

743
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,280
They're transparent and usually can't be seen with the naked eye.

744
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,280
Let's talk to Nick and get his account of what happened that night.

745
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:39,280
Nick?

746
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:40,280
Hi.

747
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:41,280
Bill.

748
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:42,280
Nice to meet you.

749
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:43,280
This is Jai-El.

750
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:44,280
This is Austin.

751
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:45,280
It's the interesting video you have.

752
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,280
Can you show us where you were when you shot it?

753
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:48,280
Yeah.

754
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,280
This right here is the hotspot I would call it.

755
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,280
This is where I got most of the skyfish.

756
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,280
So that's the branch that we see in the video?

757
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:56,280
Yes.

758
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,280
Have you seen it more than once?

759
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,280
Yeah, I've filmed many different times down here.

760
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:01,280
Are you able to see them with your naked eye?

761
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:02,280
Yes.

762
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:03,280
How big are they?

763
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,280
The biggest one I've seen is about three feet long.

764
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:07,280
Really?

765
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,280
Do they only appear at night?

766
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,280
I never got a single one in the daytime, ever.

767
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,280
So what makes you think that this is something paranormal occurring and not just insects?

768
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:20,280
The night I shot this, I set off bug bombs to eliminate the possibility of bugs.

769
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:26,280
And then, you know, going into the 16 degree weather, bugs are not going to be present during filming in that temperature.

770
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,280
Nick, you've given us a lot of really good information.

771
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:29,280
Thank you for your time.

772
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:30,280
Thank you.

773
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,280
We're going to have to really plan these tests carefully.

774
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:34,280
Yeah.

775
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:35,280
Let's get to work.

776
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:36,280
All right, let's grab our equipment.

777
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,280
Coming up on Fact or Faked, Paranormal Files.

778
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:42,280
Release Fat.

779
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,280
Oh my gosh, did you see that?

780
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,280
We got cicadas, Japanese flying beetles.

781
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:47,280
Fire Slingshot.

782
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,280
Fire Slingshot.

783
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:07,280
We've just spoken with the videographer Nick Corey, and we're now going to attempt to replicate the original footage by testing some of the most natural explanations for this sighting.

784
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,280
We're going to have to wait until it's completely dark to start our experiments.

785
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:18,280
You know, one of the theories about the spiraling rods phenomenon is that it's simply something flying through the air.

786
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,280
What could be flying around at night here through the cold and a bug bomb?

787
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,280
Maybe leaves or other debris falling from the trees?

788
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:25,280
Yeah.

789
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:32,280
See, I was thinking that, but when I started watching the video, I realized that these things are moving horizontally and definitely appear to be moving under their own power.

790
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,280
Right.

791
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,280
So I think we actually have to rule debris out for this one.

792
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:40,280
And there are a variety of bats that are indigenous to this area, like red and brown bats.

793
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:45,280
What if what Nick captured that night was some very non-paranormal bat?

794
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,280
That could make sense.

795
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,280
It could change like two and a half inches and literally fit in the palm of your hand.

796
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:50,280
That's something we should test.

797
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:55,280
I've got a contact at an animal sanctuary and they do rehabilitate bats.

798
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,280
We would need like an enclosed area to safely manage them.

799
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,280
Well, will you go wrangle us up some bats?

800
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,280
How about Jay and I will finish that in a base camp?

801
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,280
We'll actually get that mesh enclosure set up exactly where Nick filmed the spiraling rods.

802
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:06,280
See when you get back.

803
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:07,280
Okay.

804
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:13,280
Nick said that he bug bombed the area, so for the best results, we're going to do the same.

805
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,280
Bill's on his way to pick up a couple of bats.

806
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,280
Jay and I, we're building this mesh tent for an enclosed environment.

807
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,280
That way we can film the bats, have it safe and a controlled area.

808
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:24,280
Hey guys.

809
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:25,280
Hey.

810
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:26,280
Oh my gosh.

811
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:27,280
Yes, yes.

812
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:28,280
It's here.

813
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:29,280
I'd like to introduce Beverly.

814
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,280
Beverly is the founder of an organization called Bats Landing.

815
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:39,280
Bats Landing rescues injured and orphaned bats and they rehabilitate them and they let them go back into the wild.

816
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,280
I brought the red bat.

817
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:50,280
These bats like to be around water and since we're by a creek here, there's possibility that this is the kind of bat that would be in this area.

818
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,280
Because the bats are in the wild, there's a safety issue.

819
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,280
Beverly's been vaccinated so she can safely handle them.

820
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:02,280
Once you're ready with the camera, we're going to exit the tent and Beverly will release the bat.

821
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,280
All right guys, I'm all framed up.

822
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:10,280
I'll connect the camera to our monitor so that we can take it outside with us and we can watch and see what our results are.

823
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,280
Beverly, on my cue, if you could release the bat, then we'll start our experiment, okay?

824
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,280
Sounds great.

825
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:16,280
Good luck Beverly.

826
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,280
Thank you.

827
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:18,280
Excited about this.

828
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,280
All right guys, let's set up right here.

829
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:21,280
You plugged in?

830
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:22,280
I'm all plugged in.

831
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:23,280
Beverly, are you in position?

832
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:24,280
Yes.

833
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,280
Okay, so Austin on the light.

834
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:27,280
Beverly on the cage.

835
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,280
Three, two, one.

836
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:32,280
Release bat.

837
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:36,280
There you go.

838
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,280
All right guys, I think we've got our shot.

839
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:40,280
There's our bat.

840
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,280
First thing I notice is that it actually looks like a bat.

841
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:44,280
Yes, it does.

842
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,280
And you can tell that it's not elongated too, at all.

843
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,280
In the original video, you see like a series of ridges.

844
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,280
I don't see that in the bat.

845
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,280
I see like one wing here.

846
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:54,280
I'm not sure what I'm looking at.

847
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:59,280
The object in the original video looks like it's either glowing or it's reflecting light differently.

848
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:04,280
This object, which is the bat, does not seem to be reflecting light at all.

849
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,280
Obviously, this test did not match the original.

850
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,280
I think it's safe for us to eliminate this theory and move on to something else.

851
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:12,280
Absolutely.

852
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,280
After seeing the result of our bat experiment, it's pretty clear to all of us that whatever

853
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,280
Nick got on video that night, it's not a bat.

854
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,280
They're simply too large and easy to recognize.

855
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,280
So now we're moving on to a theory that this may be a possible hoax.

856
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:28,280
Here's what I'm thinking.

857
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,280
We're at a popular fishing spot.

858
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:31,280
What about a slingshot?

859
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,280
I mean, lots of fishermen actually use slingshots to attract fish to certain parts of the water,

860
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,280
bring them close into each other.

861
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:42,280
Well, we've got slingshots and we've got a tackle box that's filled with reflective rubber worms.

862
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,280
We've got our fishing lure.

863
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,280
We can try any number of these.

864
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:51,280
One thing I noticed though in the video is it looks like multiple rods are entering the frame from different directions.

865
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,280
So I think we should probably use at least two slingshots.

866
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,280
You want to mend the slingshots with me?

867
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:56,280
Absolutely.

868
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,280
Well, I'm going to get the camera ready and all framed up.

869
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:06,280
We're going to use a bait slingshot for our next experiment and hopefully we'll be able to replicate our original footage.

870
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:07,280
I'm going to aim at the bench.

871
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,280
Okay, I'm going to aim at our cargo case.

872
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:17,280
And three, two, one. Fire a slingshot.

873
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:25,280
What about look?

874
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,280
You want to take a look?

875
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:27,280
Yeah, I do.

876
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:28,280
Yeah, we would like to see it.

877
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,280
The brightness is the same as the original video and it definitely confirms what we were thinking.

878
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,280
It's a lot closer to the lens than we thought.

879
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:41,280
Well, I think that this is our closest experiment so far, but it doesn't have the trails.

880
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,280
What's causing the rigid lines in the rod?

881
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:50,280
Well, we know that Nick set off a bug bomb the night that he shot the video and we did the same thing.

882
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,280
But look around us, there are still so many insects everywhere.

883
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:59,280
So this could just be a bug that's flapping its wings across frame.

884
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:04,280
Yeah, I mean, it's hard for me to believe that a bug bomb would literally get rid of all the bugs completely.

885
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,280
To do a thorough investigation, we have to test the theory that it's bugs.

886
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:08,280
It just makes sense.

887
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:09,280
Well, we are outdoors.

888
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,280
Why don't we just go on a little bug hunt?

889
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,280
Let's get ourselves some bugs.

890
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:13,280
Yeah, let's do it.

891
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,280
All right.

892
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,280
I bet if we flood this tent with light, these bugs are going to get swarming in.

893
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,280
Then we simply close these flaps and we're ready to go.

894
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:31,280
I think that our best bet to replicate the footage is going to be to work with bigger flying bugs,

895
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,280
because I don't think that mosquitoes or flies are going to cut it.

896
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,280
We've got cicadas, Japanese flying beetles, dragonflies.

897
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,280
We've got the gypsy moth.

898
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,280
They're all indigenous to this area and they're in season right now.

899
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,280
So I say we start with finding those.

900
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:46,280
Yeah, sounds good.

901
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,280
Oh, right there, right there.

902
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:48,280
Right there is a big one.

903
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:49,280
Let go, little guy.

904
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:50,280
I don't want to hurt you.

905
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:51,280
Hey, Bill, hold on.

906
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:52,280
I got one on your back, bud.

907
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:53,280
I can't get him.

908
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:54,280
I got it.

909
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,280
We're ready to do this test.

910
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:57,280
You framed up?

911
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,280
Yeah, we're framed up and rolling.

912
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:05,280
And three, two, one, release insects.

913
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:20,280
We're now moving on to another experiment to test the popular theory that spiraling rods

914
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,280
are simply insects whose images are distorted by the camera.

915
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:30,280
And three, two, one, release insects.

916
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:35,280
Oh, wow.

917
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,280
Okay, I got that across frame.

918
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:39,280
Watch closely.

919
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,280
It's coming up right there.

920
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,280
Hey, you know what?

921
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:48,280
This test by far is the closest we've come to replicating Nick's original spiraling rods

922
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:49,280
video.

923
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,280
Here you can see the rod-like shape.

924
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,280
But notice on this one, you can see the rods plus these ridges.

925
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,280
I'm pretty pleased with the results, but I thought it was going to be an exact match

926
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,280
and I don't think that's what we have right now.

927
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,280
There is something else we can do.

928
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:08,280
Let's go into a super night shot because that's going to slow the shutter and create a motion blur.

929
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:09,280
Right.

930
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,280
And that may match Nick's original video a little bit better.

931
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,280
All right, well, we'll put it on the right setting and give it a go.

932
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,280
Okay, I'll grab an insect.

933
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,280
I got one.

934
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,280
Awesome, go ahead.

935
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:25,280
All right, and three, two, one, release insects.

936
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:27,280
Hold it.

937
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:35,280
After we grabbed a whole bunch of bugs, we decided to start letting them go actually in front of the camera as it's recording.

938
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,280
The only problem was we didn't get that spiraling effect that we were actually looking for.

939
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:44,280
But being familiar with these cameras, I just thought if I slow down the shutter speed,

940
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,280
maybe then we'll get a match.

941
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,280
You can go into the cameras and you can put them into slow night shot.

942
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,280
So basically it slows down the shutter speed so it can capture the image when it's really dim.

943
00:41:54,280 --> 00:42:00,280
And because of the slow shutter speed, it's letting in more light to the image sensor, which creates the glow.

944
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,280
So we shot the experiment again. Take a look at the results.

945
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,280
Look at that right there.

946
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,280
Pretty good.

947
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,280
Oh my gosh, look at that.

948
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:10,280
Did you see that?

949
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,280
Yep, you see the ridges on it.

950
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:16,280
It's like an elongated snake-like shape that he was describing.

951
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:21,280
Once we had the shutter speed slow, we couldn't help but get all kinds of these spirals showing up.

952
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,280
Wow.

953
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:28,280
I think considering that this is the best and most compelling spiraling rod footage I've ever seen,

954
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:34,280
we're really going to need to find something amazing in order for us to revisit this because I think it's just insects.

955
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:41,280
And you know, Nick may have not even known that he was actually capturing bugs, but when it comes down to it, case closed.

956
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:42,280
Yeah.

957
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,280
Without a doubt in my mind, you prove that these were insects.

958
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,280
Awesome job. That's not what I expected to see.

959
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,280
Yes.

960
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:49,280
Yeah.

961
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,280
Good work.

962
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:51,280
Case closed.

963
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,280
Thanks for watching.